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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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Hey Chris..
All arcades did the same thing - I guess nobody expected "old tat" to become popular/rare/expensive.
Street Fighter 2 has a lot to answer for, all those dedicated woodys converted into SF2.. [/QUOTE]
Hey Andy - you are as bad as me ..work work work and when not working talk about work ![]() My memory is shocking - SF2 - was that the sit down with 'steeeerio' sound ? If so we got rid of ours not long ago to make way for another 'yawn' pusher ...it had hosted many games since SF2 and the 'comfy' seat had been replaced with aluminium chequer plate to discourage the 'locals' from spending too much time sitting on it but not playing it. Anyone remember Street Fighter with 'mechatronic pads' - horrible thing to maintain as anyone wearing a ring would cut the pads when punching them - the workshop until recently had a drawer full of them. We used to have a policy of buying what the young blokes wanted but kept a section for non fighters and girls... Puzzle Bobble Bubble Bobble Tetris As consoles destroyed our customer base for video gaming we turned to redemption & pushers for income and had to be very careful buying video games as the cost is enormous and the quality very low nowadays. We bought a Tokyo cop with full motion that never took more than an average 10p/£5 fruit machine but cost 50 times as much. |
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I could have had one of those Streetfighter cabs if I had the space at the time, though it was minus the big pads
What happened to all those pads from it, not binned? mind you thats why I can't move here coz I don't like to bin anything
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WANTED! Buggy Boy Junior Rear Seat. Continental Circus Cockpit Lower Rear Marquee. Electrocoin Rampage Marquee
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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Hi Tony Megavissey !! I used to get up there in the 60's when I serviced Wurlitzer & Seeburg jukeboxes - still get up that way to visit the 'Lost Gardens'. Depending on how old you are ![]() Buggy Boy was always near the cash desk. 18 Wheeler was a Toshiba CRT projector - Ghost Squad is next up for an LCD replacement as it's badly burnt in - that's a mornings work as the internals can be left in place - just remove the mirror - build a shelf - cut a polycarb shield for the LCD and plug in. I always regretted losing the ShootAway as it had such wide appeal BUT it continually suffered from the morons who burned holes in the screen with fags. Do you remember a similar game we had behind the cash desk called CosmoSwat - that was amazing for it's time as it used fibre optics before the 'internet' had been invented. Still got the fibre which I use to repair our Whittaker's Roulette. One Dance machine went and the top end is mostly occupied with driving games & Manx TT (how is that still running ???) I don't know for sure but I'd imagine that Cuckoo Land's gear went to PartyZone In Carbis Bay - recently bumped in John who owned Cuckoo - their nice Lady Judy now works for us. I hope we have nothing unusual in store as I don't like surprises - in the old days buying a new video usually meant finding 26" of wall space - job done....now you need 9' x 6' x 7' and when you've finished with the game nobody is going to buy it for their home games room. I'd imagine we might get that new thing with a gattling gun on it. Harping on about video games - we used to have walls full of Xenon cabinets and rotated games regularly - as more stuff became dedicated you get tied into manufacturers - you get tied into their spares pricing structure - if you have the time and skills you can sometimes get around this but owning modern gear can be a nightmare - ATV steering assembly £1500, NFS Carbon 32" LCD£1500, Grafix card for After burner £495 (get it from AndyGeezer), Final Furlong - spares unavailable, Offroad/Hydro thunder - Bally Midway went bust as these were released - the spares were locked up in the States and held for ransom - all the hard drives in our failed and that's how I got into hard drive recovery and improved my welding skills. |
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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Yep - in the bin along with spare air tubes - I also don't like to bin anything as you never know when you will be able to bodge it into doing something it was never intended to do - I've just made a pair of tweezers for a Blue ESR meter out of relay blades from probably an old Bally fruit. We do servicing down to a PTC, NTC, bearings, pneumatics - we design & build custom electronics - unless whatever it is is code protected we will fix it and storing all bits is a nightmare - workshop ran out of space years ago - 18 Wheeler has in it a spare 26" LCD and various Samsung LCD circuit boards. |
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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I'd have been 14 or 15 in 1994! I think I remember the Buggy Boy over by the cash desk now! Do you ever manage to get big 4:3 LCD'S/plasmas for the rear pro replacements? I can see why as an operator you'd rather just have the CRT projector out and fit an LCD/plasma but if it was for a home arcade i'd have to try and get another CRT rear projection unit! ![]() I'd have loved the Shoot Away at home, nearly always had a go when I visited! I think I possibly do remember something like the Cosmoswat. Do you by any chance still have the pool game where you actually shoot a proper cue ball in the machine - Slick Shot I think it's called? I think there was a similar Pool machine opposite it with a high res vertical widescreen monitor that you could win prizes on. Also liked the game in the rear left corner where you rolled a ball up an alley to get it into a catchment area to win points, as well as the Wheel 'Em In or Roll 'Em (or whatever it's called! ![]() ![]() As I say, among others i'd have loved Cuckoo Land's Deal 'Em machine (they had two I think, one with a monitor with a colour gone) but never got round to asking them if they were interested in selling. As it is, I've managed to pick one up since, although it's not the same cab design. When I say have you anything unusual in store I actually meant have you kept anything from the old days in your stores which was a bit unusual! ![]() Modern gear is good but doesn't have quite the appeal of the old stuff really. I think it's a bit of a scandal in some ways that they don't still make some spare parts when there's still loads and loads of machines still in use. Tony Edited by tb2000 - 30 September 2010 at 9:39pm |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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y'know, i also remember a different space harrier, a much bigger one than the ones i've seen here on j+. it was set on 50p a game when everything else was 10p, 20p. |
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Please don't sell me anymore stuff!
Games fixed: 001 (green beret) 002 (ikari warriors) 003 (victory road) 004 (sfz2) 005 (double dragon) 006 (final fight) 007 (sky shark) 008 (ninja turtles) |
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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[/QUOTE]Hi Chris,
I'd have been 14 or 15 in 1994! I think I remember the Buggy Boy over by the cash desk now! Do you ever manage to get big 4:3 LCD'S/plasmas for the rear pro replacements? I can see why as an operator you'd rather just have the CRT projector out and fit an LCD/plasma but if it was for a home arcade i'd have to try and get another CRT rear projection unit! ![]() I'd have loved the Shoot Away at home, nearly always had a go when I visited! I think I possibly do remember something like the Cosmoswat. Do you by any chance still have the pool game where you actually shoot a proper cue ball in the machine - Slick Shot I think it's called? I think there was a similar Pool machine opposite it with a high res vertical widescreen monitor that you could win prizes on. Also liked the game in the rear left corner where you rolled a ball up an alley to get it into a catchment area to win points, as well as the Wheel 'Em In or Roll 'Em (or whatever it's called! ![]() ![]() As I say, among others i'd have loved Cuckoo Land's Deal 'Em machine (they had two I think, one with a monitor with a colour gone) but never got round to asking them if they were interested in selling. As it is, I've managed to pick one up since, although it's not the same cab design. When I say have you anything unusual in store I actually meant have you kept anything from the old days in your stores which was a bit unusual! ![]() Modern gear is good but doesn't have quite the appeal of the old stuff really. I think it's a bit of a scandal in some ways that they don't still make some spare parts when there's still loads and loads of machines still in use. Tony [/QUOTE] Your memory is better than mine ! Yep it was Slick-shot - even had green baize on it - that too went to Lelant, the high rez vertical thing is Pocket Money - interesting as it had a very early widescreen CRT which required add-on boards to stretch the picture - these were rapidly made redundant by LCD - there's a 26" 16 x 9 LCD in ours now. Two old SkeeRolls were in the corner - we now have three linked US SkeeRolls up there - my welding skills get used there as the ball releases keep falling apart. Operation Wolf was where Pocket Money is now - remember the tin recoil gun. Streets 'Wheel 'Em In' was on that side too - black & white stripped bed on which you had to roll a coin....IT WAS BETWEEN THE LINES....was the usual complaint. Silly things stick in your mind from years ago - I remember we had an Enduro Racer chained to the wall far away from the cash desk and a kid sat on it walked across to the cash desk and said ... IT WAS BETWEEN THE LINES....but he hadn't reached 'Wheel 'Em In' yet. On the way he would have passed WGP, WEC-LeMans, a hydraulic Helicopter, Space Harrier - in the floor near the cashdesk there are still the remains of Rawlbolts that held down all the Cocktail cabinets we had - Rally X, Mr Do... Do you remember Silver the Horse ?...when I arrived it was operated by 240v mains going to the coin mech micro switch on to the motor and had a cassette player in it with a recording of a horse whinney. 4 x 3 replacement can be done in LCD but only in small sizes and at huge cost, we have DLP units but they are widescreen - we are looking to extend the lives of old machines but they have to pay for themselves and a £200-400 LCD TV is fairly cost effective. Space is also a problem - to re-screen 18 wheeler with a widescreen DLP (i.e. you keep the screen height) makes the machine impossibly wide. Today we put a 42" LG LCD in Ghost Squad - would have completed it but ATV Tracks decided to reset itself until it turned off altogether and required fixing. GS was easy as nothing had to be removed from the Projector apart from the Fresnel screen and the mirror - built a shelf - cut the LG's base down with a big saw - made a support to bolt to the Vesa mount - splice the LG into the cabinet power loom - LG's will run off 110v - calibrate guns - make a masked polycarb screen later to hide the mess inside - job done. We make no attempt to be pretty - customers don't come in equipped with microscopes - minimum down time and something which 'looks' like new. You mention Cuckoo Land and a monitor with a colour gone - they had a chap come in now and again to fix stuff - we have 3 on the floor all of whom will fix any coin/hopper/basic problem immediately - it's incredibly rare that we would have a machine out of action for more than a shift - if I'm around then monitors/major faults are likely to be fixed before we go home. Our only bad failure this year was again ATV Tracks which isn't supported at board level by Brent - I got to know a nice Spanish repairman at Gaelco who had our board for a week fixing it. I get used to the way we operate and am amazed when I go travelling on my day off to see other Arcades with the same machines out of action again - I train people and we send the chaps on courses - most of fixing stuff is not amazing knowledge - it's common sense. Stored stuff - we used to own an old Church and stored stuff there - we opened that as a kiddies club and rented stores - those got used as industrial units - stuff rotted - we try to exchange or sell on gear but unfortunately anything left gets junked - these days that's not much of a loss but I can just see the look of astonishment in peoples faces if we brought back WEC-LeMans now. At the risk of getting boring - we have a few new games on a £1 to try and recoup their huge cost but the majority of our gear is on 50p so that Dad & Son can play 'driving' or shoot things for a £1 - often the kid can't reach the pedals or shoot straight - at a £1 each Dad hasn't wasted too much - most of our trade now is families here for a fortnight and we like them to visit every day - being expensive doesn't help with repeat customers. Our fruits are the same - nothing less than 78% most 82-84% and the 18 area is 92%. |
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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Skill Shot must be pretty rare now. Pocket Money - that's the one! There was a complete innards including monitor from one of those on eBay a while ago! I've got an original Op Wolf gun in the loft, pretty heavy it is as well. Usually with the Wheel 'Em In i'd either miss completely or very occasionally I think it'd say "Close enough" or something. Can't say I remember the silver horse!
As far as the projector goes, I noticed on eBay a while ago a 4:3 rear projection unit like a presentation thing which actually used a standard LCD/DLP data projector slid in the front that was removable. I wondered if it would be possible to use something like that, I might try it if I ever get a rear projection game with knackered CRT's? Second hand LCD/DLP projectors can be picked up for peanuts these days! Of course, the other modification i've seen is a 38/39" CRT monitor fitted into the rear projection cabinet. ![]() It suprises me sometimes when I see machines broken/faulty in an arcade, even more so if I visit again a while after and they're still broken/faulty. I was at the arcade in Tintagel earlier in the year and there was about 4 or 5 machines all with different faults - monitor faults, link up faults, etc. When I visited the other wek they'd been repaired but I can't believe they all went down at the same time! ![]() ![]() Tony Edited by tb2000 - 01 October 2010 at 12:49pm |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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Prop Cycle was next to Alpine Racer. Prop Cycle was a weird game and it never took off - there's a joke there somewhere. Alpine Racer would do well today but the projector died and unlike now replacement was too costly. Definitely an interesting job - that's when we're not keeping out drunk kids etc - we are pretty much self sufficient right down to building repair/wiring. We are ADIPS registered Inspectors, do our own PAT testing and spend a lot of time on Health & Safety matters (I've had to deal with death at work). We've just started another cycle of hopper/mech maintenance and PAT/ADIPS testing, floor cleaning & tidy up after the summer rush. You never know what the day will bring - this morning the washing machine's door seal split, we have samples of the new 10p's so I was on the phone to four companies about mech programming ..made somewhat difficult as they haven't got the new coins yet. Customers start arriving some with children despite it being term time - we have to enquire about why they aren't at school, also have to keep an eye on the 18 area enforcing 'under 21' policy. Order swag & chuppa chupps, ring a courier to collect a PC that's been swapped out of a Barcrest 777 with a network fault, order a long VGA cable to replace the one we used yesterday in fitting the LCD in Ghost squad also tools to replace the ones the staff keep losing, order a Laser for the DVD player in Kiddie Coaster, try to get old fluorescent tubes collected for recycling, unpack cables for disk copier only to find they are the wrong gender, dump all last nights info collected from the Internet on a PC and file stuff I've printed, clone some important hard drives, check ALL the machines, calibrate a Medal Master, brush up fag butts from the doorways, eat Pasty, cover lunch breaks, receive phone calls about mech programming and the washing machine door seal, do some work on the broken DVD player to see if can keep it going till the laser arrives - we don't use computer monitors just ordinary televisions so we can attach them to things which output composite like the DVD player. ATV Tracks LH side keeps resetting which looks like program corruption as it's always at the same place in the game - turns out to be a failed temperature controlled fan so we modify both units. Someone's left the ESR meter turned on and the battery is flat, can't find the RM5 programmer - eventually find it in the note acceptor drawer. Also during the day we've been topping up hoppers, cleaning machines, filling up cranes, filling the vendor, attending to customers. Time to go home. Sometimes it can get frantic - in the peak of the summer we've had two Hantarex chassis catch fire but were repaired same day, handlebars kicked off ATV track, Rock n Roll PSU exploded and motor shaft sheared off - we have all the spares and equipment to repair these things but it's awfully difficult when the Arcade is so crowded if you fell over you wouldn't hit the floor. |
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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As you say replacement stuff was too costly then, but stuff is definitely cheaper now for most of the old stuff, i've got both Prop Cycle and Alpine Racer (or is it Alpine Surfer?) fully working boardsets in the loft (actually quite a bit of Namco SS22 stuff) - not that i'll probably ever use them!
That sounds like a hell of a busy day, looks like you hardly got 5 minutes for a breather! Must be a bit annoying when stuff goes down and causes problems (or sets light to itself like the Hanty chassis ![]() ![]() Edited by tb2000 - 02 October 2010 at 12:41am |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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At least the day passes quicker ![]() We have the cash desk worker make a brew regularly and I make sure the staff get to have a breather outside - it can get extremely stressful dealing with 'happy' holidaymakers. From the 12th we'll close at 6pm and lose two staff and security but the pressure is still on as all the testing/repairs/conversions have to be done by Easter and the staff have to have holidays ....there's six of us left but we have cover a 7 day week minus those on holiday. I love working and can just tolerate my job as the technical side is so fascinating & challenging - dealing with the public is something I don't relish - often there are many lovely folk to chat with - we all like meeting their dogs if they bring them with them - bit odd but we all like dogs - then there's the other side - drunks. nutters, kids out for a wind up - fraudsters, thieves. I've been immensely lucky in my working life - I've worked in a Foundry, Quarries, Lathes in machine shops, Hydraulic lifting gear, fitted marine radios, serviced Hammond organs, serviced jukeboxes, worked on the original petrol vending systems in the 60's, ran an amusement park, ran a restaurant, ran a kids club, administered payroll & VAT. Find it hard to motivate staff to do much these days as folk grow up not playing with things - taking things apart - building things - with everything being 'throw away' the idea of maintaining stiuff is a bit alien. |
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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A sad day...
Last mechanical coin mech bites the dust - it lived happily in a Streets Auto changer for probably 30 years - it's an S10 with a coin cradle, magnet & coin bounce - being replaced with a C120 electonic validator which is a bit long in the tooth but all I need it to do is validate the new & old 10p coins - don't even need the outputs. I'll probably just teach the 5p channel the new 10p rather than enable bank b. In the Club upstairs is the only other mechanical mech we have - it's an S1 in a pool table meter - I always hated those things as they were a pig to set up and as they didn't weigh the coin would let all sorts of stuff through. In the old days we only had to deal with 3 or 4 mechs and all were mechanical - nowadays there are dozens of electronic mechs requiring programmers to get them to do there job. The mechanicals required new cheap bits or a lesson from Mr Pliers - Electronic stuff requires a visit to the Bank Manager - it's £500 per Mech system and a per mech charge. I'm constantly amazed that we survive - cost are ridiculous - spares prices are stupid - I'm having to remind Staff that since Oct 1st they must nor refer to anyone as a Veggie/Druid/Old or listen to or overhear any conversation that might offend them or we are in for a Law suit. If I was rich enough i wouldn't get out of bed - it's just not worth it.
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AndyGeezer ![]() Kill Screen ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire Status: Offline Points: 1275 |
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From speaking to operators, this is down to the monopoly that the "big boys" are charging for spares and repairs.
From my research the average repair bill from is £700 (from the big boys - not mentioning any names).
What I don't understand is why they do a huge mark-up on DLP lamps, the price is 100% more.
Also many parts can be oem'd direct from other places.
Look at the the OR2SP SDX motion controller drive board - direct from Panasonic is about 100% cheaper than offical spare part retailers.
Worst case scenario is say a Lindbergh going to one of the big boys in the summer holidays, by the time a customer gets it back, the summer holidays are over, that is 50% of the potential takings a machine will make in a year.
I've looked into some companies purchasing, they could have same a small fortune in a year. I am still amazed places like InspiredGaming are still in business, they must loose more money than they make.
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AGS - AndyGeezerServices - www.andygeezerservices.co.uk
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GAMESMONKEY ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 403 |
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We live in the St.Austell/Par area and we used to have a great arcade at Cornish Leisure World/Cornwall Coliseum. It's nice to hear someone still has actual video games to play in their arcade! ![]() We will make a point of popping in when we come down in the next week or so.
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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Similar thing with the parts. I remember when I was doing the car game a few years ago, we needed a part for a Volvo I think it was. Bought the part and fitted it, but when it arrived it was just a Bosch part in a Bosch box, inside a Volvo box! We knew someone who was a Bosch agent, and didn't think of it before but we asked them about it, and it turned out they could've got the part for us for about third cheaper than it cost from Volvo! |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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I get lamps & stuff from Sound & Vision |
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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chriso ![]() Bonus Stage ![]() Joined: 28 September 2010 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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I know John & Derek who put the gear in there. Never went there when it was open but saw the wreck it is now when I walked from Charlestown to Par. Lot arcades I visit are just rows of fruits - our floor space is more than half video or at least not fruits. From the 10th Oct we're open 10-6 7 days. |
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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tb2000 ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Da Mon Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: West Country Status: Online Points: 9005 ![]() |
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Currently looking for: Ridge Racer PCB set (or Rom set), maybe a B+W game pcb of some sort :)
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